Monday, 20 February 2012

Alexander Nym: A Call to Arms

This was just posted to the ICRN blog (Industrial Culture Research Network), which normally specialises in sub-academic posturing in defense of their musical genre of choice. Nym is the author of the book Schillerndes Dunkel: Geschichte, Entwicklung und Themen der Gothic-Szen. In his statement he tries to have it both ways, registering the reality of fascist infiltration of their 'scene', while continuing to attack those (including WMTN) who recognised this fact long ago and have tried at least to address it. Still, as a member of the ICRN, and a scene 'insider', it's worth registering what he is now saying. The ICRN themselves, although they posted the statement, say that their blog is not the place to discuss it. They, presumably, are too busy 'researching' industrial culture to take time out to discuss the presence of fascism within it.

ICRN Introduction to Nym / Disclaimer

We present a text by Alexander Nym reflecting on alleged events at the Neofolk Rauhnacht event in Leipzig and their implications. The group at the centre of this discussion is Triarii and some of its fans. It is the project of Christian Erdmann who is supported live by members of Werkraum and Wappenbund (Axel Frank and Volker Neumann).

Triarii is actually a martial, rather than neofolk group, whose iconography and references seem to point only in one direction: the first album Ars Militaria includes the track 'Der Verwundete (In Memoriam Arno Breker)'. As this is largely instrumental music there are no explicit viewpoints perpetrated but the aesthetic is clearly a militarist-imperialist one that seems to contain few if any ambiguous, balancing or contradictory elements.

This is not to say that we are attributing direct political intentions to the group nor making any definitive political categorisation on a purely aesthetic basis: great care and further research would be necessary before doing so and we are well aware of the risks of making serious political accusations based on insufficient evidence. However, Triarii certainly does not seem to make any effort even to introduce any ambiguity to its work or to steer clear of ideological branding. If the reports from the gig discussed here are correct it would seem that Erdmann gave a “Roman salute” from the stage and that some audience members returned Nazi salutes. If correct, it's hard to see this as anything other than cheap collaboration, naïve flirtation or direct affirmation.

Even some brief research online reveals Triarii tracks set to NS-propaganda footage:

(link removed for politico-aesthetic reasons)

In this case the uploader, AveEuropa, has set the track 'Victoria' to a video entitled 'Reinhard Heydrich - The Blonde Beast', dedicated to the notorious SS leader killed by the Czech resistance:

(link removed for politico-aesthetic reasons)

Comments below this video include “HEIL OUR ARYAN LEADER HEIL HEYDRICH” and “If this man had suplanted Hitler, German would have won the war. Heydrich's assassination was one of the most pivoted moments in our history.” Perhaps Triariii are unware of these videos or enjoy maintaining a position of transgressive tolerance but if they really object to them they could surely get them removed or disown them.

To put it mildly, Triarii seem to have a problematic fanbase, both online and in the concert halls. Trairii's defenders might argue that theirs is a purely aestheticist position, but the reports from Leipzig seem to suggest otherwise. Even if they simply find it amusing to have such fans or use them to subsidise their operations, they are playing a very dangerous game that could jeopardise the scene that they are part of. Perhaps some are hoping that should they be able to gain control of the scene they can carry out an ideological Gleichschaltung (the Nazi euphemism for the post-1933 purges), removing the decadent, Gothic, industrial and neofolk elements of the audience and leaving a cleansed hard core audience able to unambiguously and unapologetically enjoy an entirely affirmative music and style in the service of a criminal ideology.

This is why Nym's “call to arms” is important. Acknowledging that rightist infiltration is not just a myth spread by those opposed in principle to all neofolk, industrial and martial is necessary and important. As Nym points out, 'neofolk' as a name is one that begs for trouble and it has surely found it: not just from the self-appointed censors from left-wing splinter factions but, more ominously, from right-wing factions who will be happy to turn it against itself, abusing its counter-cultural, contrarian glamour for just long enough to assume a hegemonic position, after which the cleansing can begin.

The intellectual, alienated, non-affiliated Neofolk listeners Nym describes are at direct risk from unambiguously rightist incomers whose real cultural values are inimical to any kind of distance, qualification, ambiguity or irony, all of which have been traditional aesthetic and conceptual qualities of much of industrial and its uncanny, ambivalent successors, neofolk and martial. The transgressive thrill of enjoying the proximity to malice and danger undoubtedly have their attraction for many, often only increased by simplistic 'politically correct' criticism. However, there is definitely a need for self-consciousness, self-criticism and self-assertion from within the scene if its protagonists don't wish it to fall into darkness far more permanent and fatal than the average Death in June fan would like to imagine. This should be done not to appease leftist critics or to clean up the reputation of these styles and prevent repetitions of the Leipzig acts, but (also) for aesthetic reasons to prevent the triumph of one-dimensional, mindlessly affirmative music and the reactionary forces that support it.

I.C.R.N., February 2012.

Alexander Nym: A Call to Arms


If the neofolk scene wants to survive, it has to take up resistance against Fascist entryism – and reclaim its sense of humour while doing so.

By Alexander Nym

DISCLAIMER

This text may contain much (background) information and terminology familiar to neofolkers, which may be unfamiliar to those less involved in the scene. So please, bear with me through the necessarily lengthy and dreary introduction. All cited instances of aggression, discrimination and closed-mindedness during the event described were reported to me first-hand by those who experienced them. Though I attended, I was unaware of most of them until afterwards. As I was unable to counteract or challenge them there and I'm now writing this text, which I hope will be a useful contribution to this ongoing debate.

Emergence

Alexander Nym
First, allow me to discuss briefly the extent and history of my involvement with the so-called neofolk-scene in order to prevent misreadings of what I'll say here. Despite the fact that a good deal (though certainly not all) of my friends are fans of and/or musicians within the field termed neofolk, those personal connections largely date back to when that particular strand of underground music was considered a part of (Dark) Wave, post-punk/industrial, and the term 'apocalyptic folk' was in use (a term I found to be a more precise description than the more general neofolk meme), and I readily admit to having been what I'd call a post-goth, for what it's worth. For when I changed garment colours from simple black to hippie/psychedelic camouflage colours and patterns at the start of 1993, it was first and foremost due to personal dissatisfaction with the contemporary Goth scene in Germany, which I perceived as becoming increasingly 'trendy' and conformist (coinciding with the rapid revival of Goth in Germany during the early 90s), and while the solemn, and by comparison extreme expression of fundamental disagreement with and resistance to mainstream 'pop' culture was becoming a mere reproduction (if dressed all in black) of intrinsically hierarchical and conservative patterns of wider society, I found the transition from dark and withdrawn to militant uniform garb a natural one.

If a scene priding itself on individualist freedom of expression and critically minded distance from the rest of society was turning into a self-referential mockery of the wider pop-culture of which it had always been a part anyway (if, perhaps in the role of devil's advocate), why not mirror the subtle process of that erosion by taking the logical step and, instead of using the banishing charm of Black, use the very signifier of uniformity by its deconstructive abuse into a militant signal of disagreement with what everyone else was doing unconsciously (or, even willingly) regarding submission to style- and dress-codes which had erected clear 'ideological' boundaries between youth subcultures like punks, goths, psychobillies, teds, mods, skinheads, metalheads, etc. By the mid-90s, the all-absorbing sweep of techno had made such boundaries superfluous and instead spawned a new array of more or less utopian countercultural patterns such as FOPI (Family of Psychick Individuals), goa raves, dreadlocked neo-hippie grunge rockers, medievalists, dawning cyberculture, urban shamanism, in short: the Awakening of the Tribes in line with the 'Archaic Revival' celebrated by people like Terrence McKenna, RU Sirius, Hakim Bey and Douglas Rushkoff. Among the last remaining aesthetic fronts not engaged in technophilia, neo-futurism and a generally optimistic vision of the future, 'neofolk' emerged as their evil twin brother: a neo-primitivist, mythologically inclined and by its very nature irrational DIY-movement for disenfranchised youth who had exchanged the suddenly ubiquituous sequencers and samplers for acoustic guitars and kettle drums, protesting against the sellout of their hard-earned individualist ideas and an unclear idea of pan-European identity to the spectre of all-pervading consumerism and corporatism (both of which, it must be stressed, are strong vectors in the hyper-marketing of youth-/counter-cultural codes and styles resulting in their commodification and neutralisation; a poison which the neofolk scene has shown a resolute immunity against).

Yet another twist in the complicated history of youthful revolt: in an era when (in both absolute and relative terms) far more people were ingesting psychedelic entheogens and realising their dyonysian potential at large-scale raves, the counterpoint to this counterculture invested itself in outdated aesthetics, controversial imagery and anything but progressive philosophies, taking further the conservative twist post-punk had taken with the Goth scene after its formative phase. From this perspective, it might not seem too incidental that the surge of neofolk's popularity in the burgeoning Goth scene of the early 90s originated in the traditionally conservative minded Bavaria in Southern Germany, and was taken to new heights by youths in the Eastern part of the country who had little to no historical identity models at their disposal, be it the failed GDR or the Federal Republic of (Western) Germany, which had simply taken over what was left after the GDR's demise. No surprise then, that those kids developed an interest in what had been before, spanning the German experience from pagan times to the infamous Third Reich, and the more provoking the references were to the new reunified bourgeoisie, the better. In a country run by the veterans of the 1968 student revolts, what better oppositional stance was there to adopt than to display interest in the dark era of German history, the one which had spawned the uneasy post-war truce their parents had rebelled against 25 years before?

greater intelligence, education and cultural awareness
However, while there were undoubtedly very unconventional notions of conservatism around (one need only look at the topics covered by the scene's most infamous zine, Sigill), in my experience, this milieu nevertheless managed to attract particularly the disenfranchised, the alienated, the introverted individualists, regardless of whether they shared a solid upper-middle class upbringing (as sociological observations indicate), or how they positioned themselves in relation to their household's intrinsic conservatism, the church etc., it is in my experience safe to say that higher education, intelligence and cultural awareness, together with a certain sarcastic, sometimes cynical sense of humour (not lacking a dark streak) are shared traits of that particular subculture.

Fascist Entryism is not a Myth

During the 1990s, the emerging neofolk-controversy revealed both the actually existing neo-fascist/third positionist entryism (aimed at the whole spectrum of youth subcultures, not limited to neofolk, but certainly attracted by it) and the sometimes hysterical reactions to it, usually articulated by outsiders, or presented in ridiculously generalistic ways, thus alienating a good percentage of those at whom such reactions were directed. Those concerned certainly debated the same issues among themselves, but agreeing on a few givens (DIJ are not Nazi, don't judge a book by its cover, enjoyment of 'controversial / transgressive' art; the sweet taste of 'forbidden fruit' – especially when growing up in Germany!) meant that further discussion with hysterical and ideologically dogmatic activists of any sort was utterly useless, resulting in accusations that the scene was holding back from discussing the initial charges (which had focussed on individual musicians or groups, not their audience), and was failing to address the Nazi-problem which, for many, seemed to be blown out of proportion.

By applying ideological pressure and coercive tactics, the antifascist protesters would only succeed in creating more aversion towards their arguments and thus ease access for right wing entryism, enabling and nurturing an informal alliance along the lines of 'my enemy's enemy is my friend' with people whose agenda, if allowed to prevail, would systematically destroy the very same tolerance, open mindedness and peacefulness which are characteristics of both goth and neofolk, just as antifa-activists tried to push their own ideas of 'valid' art & entertainment onto what they perceive as an anti-modernist, crypto-fascist elitist bunch of would-be-Übermenschen, despite (or because of) the fact that many of the latter have roots in the anarchist / antifa-spectrum themselves. The few cases of structural/financial neonazi-/fascist dabblings in the scene are well known and, thankfully, isolated incidents, but nevertheless they did take place. But back to those most concerned, the fans of the music itself.

A good deal of the pleasure those people get out of openly reactionary ideas is the abhorrence they create in their uninitiated peers. Add to this brew the youthful confusion of fascinated newcomers, some from (NS-)Black Metal, some from the neopagan scene, but still mostly from (ex-)goth and industrial circles, which entails an almost natural interest in fringe ideas, 'extreme' art and gloomy aesthetics like dark romanticism, occultism/mysticism, satanism, social darwinism, chaos magick, eco-terrorism etc. All this can easily lapse into dabbling in völkisch runic cults, Black-Sun-mythopoiesis, and the immersion in Heinrich Himmler's rather childish esoteric fantasies. This creates a field of references so broad and open to interpretation that tolerating other's readings of the same sources becomes a necessary tool of survival. Yet, this is also the key to opening the gates of entryism.

If You Don't Give a Shit, Why Should I?

Tolerance is being abused and turned against itself when simple-minded ideological types, be they from the left or right, appear at neofolk/industrial gatherings, which enable a community of people of the most diverse interests to get together to enjoy the textual poaching of their own controversial narrative, rather than the tiresome political game that so many on the scene have discarded and dropped out of anyway. However, while transcending mundane party politics to celebrate tolerance and diversity might be an admirable social practice, it is exactly that tolerance that begins to enable its abusers to infiltrate and promote/show open support for ignorant and bigoted belief systems from a century that's past for many good reasons. Then the scene starts to endanger its own subcultural niche of existence. That's the point when it stops being funny, witty, provocative, playful, irresponsible, you name it, and becomes a danger to itself.

the sensitive, the hurt, the unconventional
Based on my knowledge of the neofolk scene and the individuals that compose it to be, these people aren't 'Wolves', they are rather the sensitive, the hurt, the unconventional, the outcast and the ostracised, generally speaking the more brainy/emotional types than your regular testosterone-drenched rock audience. When repeatedly confronted with openly aggressive behaviour patterns like those demonstrated at this year's New Year's Eve 'Neofolk Rauhnacht' at Leipzig's Theaterfabrik, where it is reported that there was repeated Sieg-Heiling during TRIARII's performance. Austrian 'Pan-Germanic' thugs harrassed a concert-goer for not speaking German (not the only incident of this kind) and some drank toasts for a "Jew-free new year" without the slightest hint of self-irony, political satire or black humour (not that any of those would excuse such bad taste). If such incidents were to become the norm rather than the exception (and it should be emphasised that the troublemakers were NOT those costumed in uniforms) the rather mild-mannered, friendly-minded neofolker (who very often has above average education and income) would probably rather avoid getting into potentially harmful situations, and would not travel hundreds of kilometres and pay for a hostel to see weird acts and meet like-minded friends from afar and risk being harassed for *not being Nazi enough*. All this would thus, let's face it, make events like the Neofolk Rauhnacht impossible in the most mundane financial way. This scene is too small in numbers to be able to survive without the frenetic long-distance audiences from abroad. There were people from literally all over Europe present at the event – evidence that the 'Sons (and daughters) of Europe' have indeed arisen and a united Europe has already manifested itself. But without its character of exclusivity, its air of dark cabaret and the thrill of participating in a controversial, potentially “dangerous“ game while practicing its difference (and indifference) to the cultural mainstream, the neofolk scene would either dissolve, or fall into the hands of neonazi thugs, be they rootless East-Germans looking for identity, völkisch pagan radicalists or 'racially aware' NSBM-fans or coming from wherever else such infiltrators have sprung from.

“I've Seen the Future, Brother...” – It's a Dead End!

While neofolk as a music genre and community and its perceived entry points for backward thinking might not be the actual problem, for racism, bigotry and ignorance tend to thrive among the simple-minded, the uneducated and the socially disadvantaged, neither is it a solution. Philosophically, its frame of reference increasingly limits itself to referencing a 'provocative' (often more offending than offensive) canon of figures from the conservative revolution, WW2 and the new right, despite the abundant richness of European culture they could easily draw from instead. Aesthetically, the last ship had already sailed when the term 'neofolk' was first coined, and there's no fresh blood in sight. When 'Europa' is invoked nowadays, it is done in ways that appear remote and redundant rather than being pertinent to the current overall situation in Europa and beyond. If anyone should find a truly relevant social commentary to the world THIS summer in any recent neofolk or martial/military outfit, please drop me a line. To quote LAIBACH, "it's a burnt aesthetic", and musically its apex in the post-cold war, post-apocalyptic yet millenarian 1990s has never been surpassed.

Counteracting this artistic nullity, there were only few acoustic guitars at play at the 'Neofolk Rauhnacht', and one of them came from TRIARII's backing track. Pathetic and pitiful, to say the least. Why not have the stiff affirmative 'fans' standing to attention with staring but empty gaze throughout the show perform actual military service and get their asses shot off in some dirty ditch? People voicing support for the “re-militarisation“ of Europa's nations (a notion that's sooo 19th century, but ah no we chose to call it “anti-modernist critique“, wtf) should be held true to their words and forced to join up. If they really get off on authoritarian hierarchy, outmoded gender roles and clichéd ideas of glory and heroism, they deserve nothing less than being confined to barracks – for that authentic camp feeling!

The main problem seems to me that both the grim humour and the provocation of neofolk have disappeared. TRIARII's show only succeeded in provoking the most earnest veterans of the scene to leave the hall in open disgust for putting on an unabashedly affirmative image, and being unnervingly boring and bland in doing so. Which left them to play to an audience that didn't feel provoked at all, nor did it perceive any of the contradictions neofolk prides itself of. Perhaps because there had been no such contradictions? While the musicians themselves are known not to have sympathies for the Nazi-dictatorship, their performance didn't offer any aesthetic breaks or thought-provoking contradictions to confront, confuse and confound those in plain appreciation of the empty simulation of monumental heroism. One could argue that the total absence of such breaks conforms to LAIBACH's presentation strategy in the late 80s, when both left and right were seriously irritated at the Slovenes' stage shows. However, this particular strategy operated precisely with contradictions, juxtapositions and overidentification. With TRIARII, only the (over-)identification remains. It would have been far more interesting (and way funnier) if they had presented themselves not as plainly affirmative, but contradictory artists, not mere embodiments of their favourite aesthetic, and gave the audience something to chew on and think about, instead of a stale celebration.

So, This Laughter Kills Fascists?

Seriously people, it's essentially the ability to laugh at oneself that sorts the illuminated, truly meta-political people from those who need ideologies of strength and power to make up for their own feelings of inadequacy, weakness and frustration. Isn't it strange that social darwinism, if taken literally, would put precisely those at evolutionary risk who are fondest of loudmouthing it?

Yet, they don't get the joke, and if you were to tell them, you'd be likely to get into trouble, but certainly not the kind of noisy but abstract nuisance that the antifa occasionally likes to stage, but a concrete and physical danger. Not merely on the personal level, but for the scene as a whole. How would you react if someone next to you at a neofolk/martial gig were to give the “Roman salute“ or shout “Sieg Heil!“ at the stage?

Right, you wouldn't care. Perhaps you'd shrug at such a misplaced sign of lack of independent thinking, but you probably wouldn't dare confront such behaviour, because it doesn't concern you, or worse, you might get into an ugly situation.

How do we cope with such a threat, most of my peers including myself being peaceful intellectuals who can't remember the last time they got into a fight – and wouldn't exactly love to repeat experiences made after the demise of real existing socialism, when actually existing skinheads used to attack unusual looking people and hunt them with baseball bats – threatening, among others, THOSE FAGS FROM DEATH IN JUNE in Leipzig in 1992, believe it or not. Ask Ossian Brown about it, if you run into him (this, of course, is not mentioned in Aldo Chimenti's DIJ biography)1

Frankly, I'm turned off by the way that people like WMTN are trying to scrutinise, gauge and judge from the outside; I'd much rather plead for clear consciousness within, and the courage to take a strong and proud stand wherever racism, ignorance and bigotry rear their ugly heads and threaten people, or the expression of their ideas, even if they're as stale as TRIARII's. Instead, I suggest a Discordian, chaos-magickal and fun approach.

What were to happen if neofolk acts suddenly jumped the 'crypto-communist' train and acted out all kinds of Warsaw-pact-style rallies, seemingly glorifying Stalin etc? The fans would certainly enjoy it, yet not the stiff ones. And a whole good deal of the population of Leipzig, now that I come to think of it. A goldmine of provocation waiting to be harvested. Another strategy could be exaggeration ad extremum, following LAIBACH's example of over-identification, to systematically unveil the absurdity of supremacist ideologies – turn the wheel of extremism too far for even the extremists. Next time when someone makes a racist remark or gives a Nazi salute, why not recommend killing *everyone* and be done with it (to give a really simple example)? Challenge stupidity and close-mindedness to mock them by uncovering the inherent absurdity of their mindset, instead of having them spoil our fun.

What would happen if, as an ultra-true neofolk-dinosaur friend of mine suggested, people started wearing brown clown's noses at such events? Would that be enough of an in-joke to put off the real fascists effectively enough to drive them away for good? For, in my experience, it is exactly this ability to laugh at oneself and not take oneself so seriously as to spoil the fun of controversial attitudinising, which divides the ironic connoisseurs of neofolk et al from those folks who simply take it in as a reification of their supposed stance? Or have some of them even become recognisable faces, distant friends of friends; is the enemy already within? Where does the “coeur noir“ really beat?

I for one choose not to retreat, nor to submit; even though I'm not into most of this music, I have no intention of letting this subcultural haven, this bizarre tribe, this unique community of truly committed and colourful beings some of whom I'm proud to call my friends fall into the dominion of the blind. And knowing the actual personal politics of many of those who put on, perform at and visit such events, neither will they.

AN 120112

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1) Aldo Chimenti: Verborgen Unter Runen/Nascosto Tra Le Rune, Leipzig 2012 (German edition) / Milan 2010 (Italian edition)

4 comments:

  1. [posted on behalf of '43 and Up']

    The nonsense above illustrates very well the mindset of the average neofolk fan. According to Alexander Nym: "...neofolk as a music genre
    and community and its perceived entry points for backward thinking might not be the actual problem, for racism, bigotry and ignorance tend to thrive among the simple-minded, the uneducated and the socially disadvantaged, neither is it a solution."


    Clearly Nym has no understanding of racism. While no one is denying racism can be found within all sections of society, its origins lie within the ruling class and it is the institutional racism of the pseudo-sophisticated, 'educated' and socially advantaged that must be successfully challenged if we are to put an end to discrimination. The first ghettos came into being because Jews were placed under strict regulations throughout many European cities by the authorities (i.e. the ‘educated’, ‘sophisticated’ and socially advantaged) in charge of them. Slavery was also created and controlled by various ruling classes. And today's managers who systematically discriminate against sections of the workforce by refusing them good housing and good jobs continue a long established pattern of institutional racism. Without this bourgeois (or in Nym's terms ‘middle-class’) racism we would not see racism in other sections of society.

    Nym's attempt to portray the working class as the worst racists is ridiculous and reactionary. It is ‘middle-class’ racism that is most pernicious – and these days it tends to be dished out in veiled form: and some of those in neofolk mimic this by thinly disguising their racism and fascism (since they too aspire to being middle-class).

    Nym also ignores the fact that many fascist leaders such as Nick Griffin of the BNP are middle and not working class. No one is denying that some of Griffin's cadre were and are working class - neo-folk musician Tony Wakeford (who was a fascist National Front activist when Griffin was a leader of the NF) might be taken as an example of this.

    We ignore the ‘middle-class’ fascist leadership (the real instigators) at our peril.

    I also notice that the ICRN blog's five camp followers have taken their leader’s words at face value and have so far declined to comment on this piece by Nym. Perhaps it raises too many uncomfortable questions, or perhaps they simply don't care whether real fascists pick up on the message they've been so enthusiastically transmitting for all these years – so long as their own Weimar fantasies are left unruffled.

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  2. An excellent post which really gets to the heart of the matter. Numerous writers on fascism have noted its bourgeois origins, and the psephological data pretty much confirms this view.

    Griffin has clearly always dreamed of a cosy middle-class fascist movement. Privately there was even talk within the BNP of taking children from working-class families and bringing them up within middle-class families. Griffin even admits in Nick Ryan's "Homeland" that he only has people like Tony Lecomber in the party because their working-class supporters wouldn't relate to "a toffee-nosed" type like him. So he is out to dupe certain elements of the working-class and some of them fall for it. Often it is the disenchanted and the desperate - Griffin (and others of his ilk before him) issued instructions to seek out those with drug or alcohol problems, the homeless, the jobless, etc, etc.

    The line that these groups use in order to recruit is that the Left is a bunch of poncey middle-class types who only care about 'trendy' issues. And to some extent it works - I recall arguing with a pretty notorious C18 nutter at a demo and he said "why would a working-class bloke like you hang around with all these middle-class trendy lefty wankers?"

    This is why the likes of Griffin have always maintained that te more middle-class elements amongst the anti-fascists do his work for him. There is an element of truth to this which is why many in groups like AFA or Red Action were hostile to people with accents like Stephen Fry or Joanna Lumley marching into places like Burnley chanting "Fascist Scum orfff our streets".

    I am not saying middle-class people shouldn't be anti-fascist or anything, just that maybe they should find targets amongst the communities they grew-up in.

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  3. You know its funny, but a lot of indie hip-hop beats neo-folk/martial at its own game. Neo-folk has this pretense of seeking to create music based on inherent unconscious instincts of the indo-european and gravitate towards sounds that reflect this. You know bombastic sounds rather then black rhythms, etc.

    Is there an inherent flaw in trying to validate this theory by using unconscious impulses deliberately rather then pointing out when they occur naturally? It saddens me that bands that are sincerely aiming to do this with out any naughty political games get less support then the ones who do. Sturmpercht and Sangre Cavallum, two projects that are great and seem to genuinely and only be concerned with their own folk traditions hardly get mentioned.

    Now in indie hip-hop you have rappers like Apathy who has an amazing album called honkey kong, complete with references to vikings, paganism, etc, plus stuff about UFOs and secret societies- themes common to post-industrial culture. His music and related artists and projects, jedi mind tricks, la coka nostra, slaine (named after an irish folk hero), army of the pharoes, etc., not only make frequent reference to being white they constantly sample bombastic tracks that would fit on a martial album.

    Yet these guys also make music with non-whites and have no silly political naughtiness. They just seem to be gravitating to themes and sounds that are befitting their nature and experience as white humans. They serve as a better example of the "aryan unconsciousness" then some post-goth guy in a SS outfit.

    -Formally oneiric imperium, now viva lux.

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  4. I'm not a nazi but I'm also not a bleeding heart looking for any pc cause to champion. I take a neutral approach to racism thru history. People obscess about certain esoteric underworld bands acting like they have any real reach distribution or solid influence. To understand most of DIJ or Blood Axis one has to be somewhat intelligent and well versed in history. I like Death in June for what it is,music. Music is supposed to be for enjoyment not making assumptions on political or sexual leanings. If you don't like it don't listen to it. I'm pretty sure Douglas P is just a smart and very strange gay man that has a fetish for military fashion and the occult. Again I'm no nazi but I gotta say the nazis did have some damn fashionable GQ type shit going on compared to the dull same old shit the allies wore. Just like all you sensative pc folks wouldn't hate him for favoring penis how can you hate him if he does in fact hate. The dude mostly distributes his own stuff and lives in australua . Just how much reach and influence could he have? Plus every paranoid article written only gives more free publicity. The Jews are doing just fine these days. I think they will survive without all you hero's exposing the specter of neo nazi folk muscisians looming around every corner

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Please at least use a pseudonym so it's possible to follow your argument if you make multiple posts